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MeSH

I am aware that we may do well to map MeSH to articles - when we have articles about concepts covered by subject titles or entry terms, I think the title or term should be diverted to the article if the name is different. Even when a header changes, the old name is still useful as a diversion because it is standard. Do you mind any of these basic ideas?

Do we have a complete list of titles and entry requirements from MeSH? WP: NOTDIR, so it will be in the project space somewhere I think. The entire vocabulary can be downloaded, so making the list, by itself, should be easy, but I would not do it without checking here, because I do not want to duplicate the work of others. Nyttend backup (talk) 13:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Sizeofint, yes this is the redirect focus. For example, if I find [1], I might want to see if we have Paranasal Sinus Diseases coverage, and because it is a redlink, it's harder to find. I might make it a diversion, and if I do not find the first paranasal sinus disease, two redirects may end up in different places. Nyttend Backup (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Looks like it's something better to have on WikiData. It should be easy for query wizards to create queries to identify MeSH IDs that do not have the appropriate articles in Wikipedia (specific languages). We have d: Q199897 (Subject of Medical Subject) d: P486 (ID MeSH) and d: P672 (MESH Code). The code d: Q6589563 (Register MeSH) links to the MeSH Code List here in EnWikipedia. LeadSongDog come howling! 19:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Maps Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Archive 102

Draft: UCP2 in Type 2 Diabetes

If anyone is interested, this draft may be able to use the review by someone who has a clue as to what is being said, which may not be your run-of-the-mill AfC reviewer. W ^talk 13:22, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Now there is a small clue in a few sentences from the draft "This paper proposes that beta islet cells are designed to deliberately have poor coupling efficiency,

"Therefore, this paper speculates that these cells are designed to be sensitive to an increase in the supply of electrons." Salam, CV9933 (talk) 16:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Health care or health care

I noticed that articles with health care/health in the title changed between two different types of spellings. Maybe bring together health care/health care by spelling for all different articles? Here are some examples:
Healthcare in the United States, Healthcare in Canada and Health Care in Cuba, Healthcare in Israel It's just a detail but I think it's expected that we set up one type of spelling. -Summer (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

per article... Health care - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

WP: NAMINGCRITERIA states consistency is "purpose" (not rule). However, in line with WP: VERIFICATION and WP: RS, if single-word spelling is preferred by an English-speaking source from Cuba, Israel, etc., then one spelling word may have to be the article's title for the region (redirects can always be used for alternative spellings ). For the title of primary health care article; a cursory search (using boolean operators) on Google and PubMed, both return more results for health care. Little pob (talk) 21:12, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

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Recommended improvements to the Multiple Sclerosis page

Hello, I have posted some suggestions for improvements on the Multiple Sclerosis page here.

If you have a chance, I would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks, JenOttawa (talk) 14:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

commented - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 09:55, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Moving metadata from WP

There's an here effort that worries me. Please join the discussion there. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 01:48, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

• opinion please (we already have [2]) - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Introduction

Hi, my name is Ivan Buljan, and I am currently at workshop on WikiProject Medicine. My goal is to see how I can contribute to the project. - Ã, Unsigned preliminary comment added by Ibuljan (talk o contribs) 09:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Ibuljan: , thanks for your message and interest in this project. I will leave you a private message on your "talk" page. Your help will be highly appreciated. JenOttawa (talk) 12:39, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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New Cochrane Editor

I am currently attending a workshop on "Wikipedia and crowdsourcing: improving health information for the public" at GES 2017.

I am interested in sharing evidence from Cochrane's systematic review on Wikipedia. - Ã, uncommented comments added by Rhone2510 (talk o contribs) 10:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @ Rhone2510: Thank you for your message and interest in this project. I will leave you a private message on your "talk" page. Your help will be highly appreciated. JenOttawa (talk) 12:40, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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The new Cochrane editor is interested in using WikiProject Med in Denmark

Hai,

I am interested to write about health information based on the Evidence Cochrane in Denmark. - Ã, undelivered preliminary comment added by DMEN0003 (talk o contribs) 09:56, 16 September 2017 (UTC) small>

• please sign your post - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:09, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

left message - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Introduction

We are currently attending a workshop on "Wikipedia and the source of the crowd: improving public health information". - Ã, Unsubscribed preliminary comment added by Kfapohunda10 (talk) 10:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

• please sign your post - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:13, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

left message - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:58, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Oxytocic electricity

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WP: Medicine Discord

Hi, friends,

Here's a link to Wikipedia Discord, and there's a dedicated channel for WP: MED - https://discord.gg/Z9xAwjz Qaei ? 23:21, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. Thanks for pointers - easy to log in, will probably find WPMED people there from time to time. - supvector (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

View WP: DISCORD for more info :) - civet (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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Fecal Body Odor article

Hello. I need to improve the Stink Smell design with a more reliable secondary source. Any recommendations for the book, research, or theme I should be looking for? --Candide124 (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

will agree w/[4] - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:37, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

This doubt is a worthy topic. Alexbrn (talk) 19:41, September 13, 2017 (UTC)

@Alexbrn how can that be? There is an article about the smell of feet and the smell of old people. I do not know why the FBO would be less feasible. --Candide124 (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

It's time to make sure you've read WP: OTHERSHITEXISTS. --RexxS (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@ Candide124: because it is not like foot odor, in this serious source "condition" does not exist. [5] Only one is mentioned in the periphery journal. At best this may be mentioned in body odor, but even that can be too much. Alexbrn (talk) 05:13, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

This design makes it sound like this more than one thing, which means it may be impossible to find the source.

The first of those things seems to "smell bad because you fart all the time", but it smells flatus itself rather than the body (unlike what is written in the main sentence). Trimethylaminuria is an unrelated (and rare) cause of the same undesirable odor, and there is already an article about it. (TMAU has traditionally been described as a "fishy" odor, but these chemicals are present and the characteristics of the dirt as well, and humans are very sensitive to the scent, so it does not make sense to call it a fecal odor.)

Also, despite covering some of the causes of these unrelated symptoms, I do not see the most common, that is poor hygiene. I think that this might be better divided into smaller improvements for some articles, and some work on Bau agency to WP: Build a web for those articles. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:49, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Your feedback is appreciated, WhatamIdoing. I have refactor the whole article to be smaller and more than the hub to another article. Do you mind seeing it? --Candide124 (talk) 10:15, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Missed education due to severe illness?

Is there a Wikipedia article addressing a school issue missed by a serious illness? Does it have a more formal name? I found a review article that mentions it as a consequence for children with poor bone density so they can break bones while dressing, and I hope there will be a Wikipedia article that discusses it in more detail so I can wikilink it. I looked around the category of educational issues, but could not find it. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 00:55, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

We have Truancy and although it is difficult to assess the number of cases due to illness, this article is more about misbehavior. I can not say that I found what you were looking for. - Paleo Neonate - 04:34, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for looking, I found that one too. I just think there may be articles or sections that focus more on the subject. 122.108.141.214 (talk) 09:36, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

It might be called something like Health and education. Education-related articles are generally not developed, so they may not have been created. It may contain information about the impact of education from missing schools (some students lose so many schools they need to repeat this year), school rules (excused vs. unexcused absences, lost attendance funds), and connect to articles such as medical and educational certificates special. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:00, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

The CDC often uses 'missed school days' as a measure of crime or the impact of disease/condition on school attendance. It's like the quantification of a work day missed by the flu. Yours sincerely, Barbara (WVS) Ã, ? Ã,? 02:10, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

Bilateral cancer

please comment. Jytdog (talk) 00:04, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

• more opinions (give me) - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Chiropractic and other alternative treatment practices as "health care"?

Hi, I'm at the Global Evidence Summit in Cape Town and just created an account! I want to contribute to health information on wikipedia. A few years ago I wrote an editorial on Wikiprojects Medicine for BMJ http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.d3387 Hoping to work with you Lyndal Lyndalt (talk) 10:20, 16 September 2017 (UTC ))

Hi @Lyndalt: . Thanks for the message. I will give you a note on your "talk" page with some more information about the Cochrane-Wikipedia project. I look forward to working with you. JenOttawa (talk) 12:46, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, welcome. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 17:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Draft: Zrii

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A new alternative drug labeling design. - Paleo Neonate - 22:46, September 17, 2017 (UTC)

will be visible - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Unusual for undeclared promo promotion editing. Has blocked the account in question until TOU is followed. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 17:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Ariel William F. Farley ini juga sepertinya perlu dibersihkan. Doc James (bicara  · contribs  · email) 19:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Haruskah WP: TALK guideline mencegah interleaving?

Opinions are required on the following points: Wikipedia: Guide talk page # RfC: Should guidelines prevent interleaving? # 2. Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:27, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Why do you think it is a very interesting RFC for WikiProject Medicine? Please try wp: VPP instead of posting it everywhere. LeadSongDog come howling! 19:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

As one of the three most active projects, I see how we might be interested in this. I have added my thoughts. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 19:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Journal of Diet Supplements

If a journal has no impact factor, this journal is not a "leading medical journal" (WP: MEDRS)? Even if it's included in the Medicus Index (MEDLINE)? Or am I wrong? - ??? ?????? (talk) 12:23, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

This criterion seems to imply that a recently-created journal is not a reliable source. This does not seem to be ideal for me. If Elsevier or Springer or PLoS started a new journal with strict editing standards, I think it would be reliable even if it does not have an impact factor (yet). Sizeofint (talk) 00:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

That said, I think the lack of an impact factor is a red flag to further investigate. Sizeofint (talk) 00:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

According to the article, this journal has been around since 1996 and published by Taylor & amp; Francis, a renowned publisher as far as I know. ResearchGate gives it an undesirable ~ 1 impact factor [6]. Sizeofint (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Given the small number of articles published per year - I count only 50 articles spread across six editions by 2016; I only see 17 articles in four issues for 2015 - I will take the GG impact factor number with a large grain of salt. Having (or not having) the only paper that is large enough would be enough to swing the counted impact factor up or down. (The relatively low and somewhat uneven output of this journal may be the reason why Clarivate does not even calculate the impact factor for them.) Most articles can never be quoted (outside self-cite) or even read./dd>

The scope of the journal covers many areas that are often violated by woo promoters, and will require diligent editorial staff and careful peer reviewers for effective police. Unfortunately, the top scientific entry on the journal's homepage is the Emergency Adjuvant Therapy for Cancer: Propolis and its Constituents, which have abundant abstracts of the miraculous healing properties of bee glue:

"... biological effects, ranging from antimicrobial, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-diabetic, dermatoprotektif, anti-allergy, laxative and for anticancer immunomodulator, has been validated. Propolis has demonstrated efficacy against brain , head and neck, skin, breast, liver, pancreas, kidney, bladder, prostate, colon and blood cancer.... "

On the other hand, right next to it we have an Evolution-Based Systematic Overview of Goji ( Lycium spp.) by the Natural Standards Research Collaboration, which offers

"A systematic review of evidence-based of goji (Lycium spp.) By the Natural Standard Research Collaboration consolidate safety and efficacy data available in the scientific literature using the excuse assessment validated and reproducible. This article includes written and statistical analysis of clinical trials, plus expert opinion compilations, folkloric precedents, history, pharmacology, kinetic/dynamics, interactions, side effects, toxicology, and dosage. "

(Natural Standard Research Collaboration, as close as I know, small but reputable and associated with Edzard Ernst.)

So all journals are mixed bags. I will be very careful about what articles I quote from it, and are reluctant to use any content from articles without independent reliability indicators. TenOfAllTrades (talk) 02:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Merge duplicates

Any thoughts on this join? It seems that duplicate articles still carry sandbox editing in its history. I would think it would be better to take a duplicate and join the original and neat. CV9933 (talk) 10:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

yes agree - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Join done. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 04:42, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Discussion notice about WP: FTN

Some people here might be interested in Wikipedia: Fringe theories/Noticeboard # Medicinal plants. (Ignore the place because this is not a peripheral discussion of per se , but especially the discussion on whether separate articles on Medicinal and Herbalism plants can survive or be desirable.) Ã-Iridescent 20:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

If this is really WP: GA then we might as well all give up hope. Alexbrn (talk) 21:05, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

yep - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Cochrane switcheroo

I think WPMED might find this Cochrane review interesting, because: (1) as I noted in the PubMed Commons comment there, it is a revised conclusion set for the Cochrane review published earlier this year with the same title and author but the PubMed record different. ; (2) if you go to the previous record and scroll down, you will see from PubMed Commons comments (including me) that this is a very controversial report. Sometimes, "high quality sources"... no. - supvector (talk) 01:57, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Yay !! We've covered that a bit when it came out, here. but YAY !! So good that they have the courage to get away from it. And thank you for linking it with the publication. It was a great service they were supposed to be doing themselves. Jytdog (talk) 02:37, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Agree new conclusions is an improvement on the previous one. I think a lot of the rest of the world is scratching their heads after the first. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 04:33, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this! JenOttawa (talk) 01:24, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Our IMO lost Wikipedia for undisclosed paid editor

Fortunately most paid editors are still clear like this

• Users: Bu11man7 that makes the article copied and pasted from here the Methylated Septin 9 DNA blood test

But they make a fair point here about:

• AlloMap_molecular_expression_testing
• Multitarget_stool_DNA_screening_test
• Oncotype_DX

Because we're overwhelmed by spam, they do not see why they can not add their spam either :-(

Manipulation under anesthesia

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Not a new article, but under recent changes, with some (perhaps outdated) complaints on the talk page about chiropractic vs. heavy osteopathy, more eyes are always welcome. Thanks, - Paleo Neonate - 03:17, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

some additional resources can be added [9] - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

This article requires a cleanup and possible merge to Spinal_manipulation # Assistance_of_medication_or_anesthesia. First, all MEDRS violations should be removed and then start the cleaning process. QuackGuru ( talk ) 14:32, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Traveling with mental health conditions

If you know a bit about the practical side of mental health conditions, then please consider a break to read the new guides on voy: Traveling with a state of mental health. Feel free to add your suggestions to travelers. If you are not familiar with travel guide standards, then voy: Wikivoyage: Welcome, Wikipedians explain everything pretty well. Wikivoyage is a friendly, low-drama place. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:22, September 24, 2017 (UTC)

thanks for posting WAID - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Rajesh Shah

This article about a homeopath expert has seen his fair share of discussions of controversial deletion and editing. This article contains some unconditional claims and other possibly controversial medical statements, based solely on Shah's own research and publications. It would be great if an interested topic expert could see articles to evaluate the claims and sources used. GermanJoe (talk) 20:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

I drank it with a request for salt. Alexbrn (talk) 05:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Urolithin A

Ratings and comments for this article and its Talk page. If basic phytochemical research is published in Nature Medicine here, does it improve it as MEDRS? --Zefr (talk) 23:59, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

No. The quality of journal publishing is just one factor that makes the source MEDRS-compliant. Primary studies (such as "Urolithin A induce mitophagy and prolong life in C. elegans and improve muscle function in rodents") are not really what we need for biomedical claims. Also is not it a good idea to extrapolate studies on roundworms and rats to draw conclusions in other life forms. On the plus side, the research was indexed in pmid: 27400265, and cited in other works like PMC5054377, but my advice would be to wait for a simple review to do some analysis before trying to use it. There may be too much hype around the idea of ​​using pomegranates to extend the life span. --RexxS (talk) 00:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Do we really want to make "biomedical claims" about this? Or can we give WP: DUE attention to this collection of research by saying something inside == Research == parts like "Some basic research around this compound has focused on its role in mitochondria and muscle development" (or whatever it is the source says, when it has been reduced to ordinary English)? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:55, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

agrees best if mentioned in research - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:54, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Women in Red: October focus on health

--Ipigott (talk) 18:39, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

good info, thanks - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:38, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

MACI and Maci

Hello, all! Does anyone know whether MACI and Maci (medical care) might be impossible about the same thing? Their long and unacceptable names (if not abbreviated) are different but the topic looks similar to suspicious. - Uanfala 18:48, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

And than we have

• Autologous matrix-induced chondrogenesis
• Automatic condominium implants
• Knee cartilage replacement therapy
• Microfractor operation

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Draft: Anita Madnani

• Drafts: Anita MadnaniÃ, (edit | talk | history | links | watch | log)

Recent draft BLP explored: "color therapist, homeopathic practitioner and motivational speaker". - Paleo Neonate - 07:22, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

almost Meet Wikipedia: Notability - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:29, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Links to sites" lock-medication "

Is anyone familiar with this site? I just noticed that the editor added it as an external link to one of the articles. http://www.drugskey.com/gabapin-nt-tablet-uses-side-effects-interactions-dosage/

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gabapentin&type=revision&diff=802353199&oldid=801462474

Thanks, JenOttawa (talk) 17:01, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Set some warning alarms: "This tablet shows its effectiveness in a period of one week and one month", "Gabapin Nt Tablets can interact with the following drugs", "Keep drugs to reach children". A little lack in proofreading. This page was created on September 29, 2016, so it's rather new, but it's long enough for someone to catch a typo if used properly. Publishers point to some messy Facebook pages. Generator is "WordPress 4.7.3". Everything is on http: not a secure protocol. Taken together, it does not inspire me to see it as a site that has a "reputation for checking facts and accuracy" like the WP: RS we want to use. --RexxS (talk) 19:02, September 25, 2017 (UTC)

User: JenOttawa nice catch. User-specific spam with COI. Remove and warn. If keep telling me. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 22:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the User feedback: Doc James and User: RexxS. Rejected by another custom editor a few hours later. I love learning and being a part of this community. JenOttawa (talk) 14:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

List of youngest birth fathers

Cut out a lot of very bad source items from here. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 03:56, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

might be useful for extending the lede to this article/list [10]... IMO - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Notice that I started the discussion section on that in Talk: The list of the youngest birth fathers # The existence of this article. Permalink is here. I really do not see why this article exists other than to serve as a male version of the list of the youngest mothers. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:03, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Disruption of new substance use?

Alxlopz1999 has made some new pages on substance use disorders. Can this condition really be diagnosed?

• Sedative, hypnotic, or anxiolytic use disorder
• Trouble using Phencyclidine
• Other hallucinogen use disorders

Sizeofint (talk) 06:42, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, they are categories taken from DSM-5. But the articles do not even say that - I suspect they were created for the purpose of advertising certain websites (which are not WP: MEDRS sources). Looie496 (talk) 17:09, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

And the current website does not seem to work. Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 22:02, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, but not when accessed using that link. Looie496 (talk) 00:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Given the small amount of content, do we have to divert to substance use disorders? Sizeofint (talk) 05:51, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes I think it is the best approach Sizeofint.Charlotte135 (talk) 08:42, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Done Sizeofint (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Posterior ischemic optic neuropathy

has done MEDMOS, MEDRS, infobox etc, (especially stubs)... but stumbled on the article above and prefered help with it, thanks - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:58, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

WOW Doc James (talk Ã, Â · contribs Ã, Â · email) 06:31, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Source due to lack of evidence

Unfounded health claims are regularly made, and people come to Wikipedia to check them out. Much of the discussion of trends suffers from lack of genuine scientific evidence, which is bad for public understanding of science, and some modes even endanger public health. It would be good to have a reliable source for statements such as "In January 2017, no good clinical evidence for this claim has been published" or "Two frequently quoted studies to support this claim, both of which have major shortcomings, which...". Can we as request the Cochrane Foundation (Wikipedia: Cochrane, Wikipedia: Cochrane_Collaboration/Cochrane_UK) to publish such statements? For a researcher in the field, the authoritative statement that there is currently no sufficient X evidence may be somewhat easy to make. In some cases, they may even be able to provide an expert view of the plausibility of the claim. HLHJ (talk) 16:05, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

This is a very important question The short answer is yes . The EBM language has a lot of false friends' false lies by readers: see recently in Talk: Meg Patterson for a common misconception that "more research is needed" is a phrase that offers some sort of validation. I'm a big fan of the way Edzard Ernst glances at EBMeze, for example pronouncing text [11]

the idea that CST is associated with more than non-specific effects is not based on evidence from rigorous randomized clinical trials

is

... a polite and scientific way to say that CST is fake.

With today's Web, today's readers are now reading EBM materials. I hope the authors will consider their conclusions sometimes read by people who are afraid of credit cards in the hands of wondering whether to pay â € Å"apiapiâ € fringe. Alexbrn (talk) 16:22, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Alex. I made you an article about further research needed. The elusive academic language is a separate issue, but I remember reading a sentence in a published case study and maybe it was reviewed three times before realizing it meant "Patient dies". The authors are clearly not happy that their patients have died. Your example, on the other hand, retreats into a dry, separate, unemotional language, impossible to deal with conflict. I think open access will make the ability to read academic English much more common. Unfortunately, marketing that is dressed in academic language will probably become more common as well. - Ã, unmarked comments previously added by HLHJ (talk o contribs) 18:22, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I like this new article. HLHJ, is there any chance that there is more to be said about this? If we can get it up to 1,500 (readable) characters, which will be about 50% expansion, then it can be sent to WP: DYK and run on the Main Page. It's really a "hooky" subject, so that might be fun. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:46, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, WhatamIdoing. I will reply to Talk: More research is needed. HLHJ (talk)

At Jytdog's request, I deleted RfC as a mess. I hope you will not pity me because I feel can not do wrong, Jytdog. HLHJ (talk) 23:02, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Resources about PTSD and abortion

Which of these two references should we quote about the risk of PTSD for women who have an abortion?

• Bellieni, CV; Buonocore, G (July 2013). "Abortion and subsequent mental health: Literature review". Psychiatry and clinical nerve . 67 (5): 301-10. PMID 23859662.
• Horvath, S; Schreiber, CA (September 14, 2017). "Unwanted Pregnancy, Induced Abortion, and Mental Health". Current psychiatric report . 19 (11): 77. doi: 10.1007/s11920-017-0832-4. PMIDÃ, 28905259.

Please read both (I can send it to you - just my email), and please note that Bellieni is a member of the Pontifical Academy for Life, who has also published about the pain of the fetus, on the grounds that it starts at 20 weeks (PMID 22023261) the date that has become the focal point for the anti-abortion laws of the country compiled by the National Right to Life Committee and passed in about 12 countries by 2013 as described in this NYT article and PMID 22976403.

This article is my concern because of the discussion in the Science Reference Desk. It's full of unworthy and somewhat dubious claims. What's worse, this is the kind of article that I can easily imagine the readers who are having trouble switching to for information. Unfortunately that's not a topic I know a lot. Looie496 (talk) 15:21, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

will be visible - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Laetrile in userspace

User: Paul61485 is the only edited subject editor since 2010; he has left several draft articles in his user space about laetrile and biochemist promoting him. I do not know anything about this topic and its history on Wikipedia; is there anyone here who knows if db-repost will fit? HLHJ (talk) 01:11, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

[12] and [13] - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:18, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

• Ernst T. Krebs exists, so I do not need Users: Paul61485/Krebs
• Amygdalin # Laetrile exists so Users do not have to: Paul61485/Laetrile Jytdog (talk) 01:22, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Meg's Patterson Neuro-electric Therapy Meg Patterson (edit || talk, history Ã, | protectÃ, | delete watchÃ, | logsÃ, | view)

Some of the debates about the validity of this electric shock therapy to cure a drug addiction, whether it is supported by the NHS, are pseudoscience, shamanism, etc. More eyes will help. (Also posted on WP: FT/N). Alexbrn (talk) 10:13, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

[14] is what appears (1995) - Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 09:42, October 1, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Commenting on the Talk page of the article... Alexbrn (talk) 08:35, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Too technical (maybe)

This article is only one long sentence and has been marked as too technical. I have noticed that many tags are recent but I am distorted because my main concern is that subject headings are phrases created by authors

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